. unemployment is higher today than when barack obama took office. think of that. >> now, maria, both candidates are going to be in ohio. crucial, all-important ohio, this weekend with just three full campaign days left until election day. there's a lot to be decided here and a lot riding on the next couple days. >> absolutely. thanks very much. my next guest says the jobs numbers are evidence, in fact that, the economy is making steady progress. here to make his case is andy stern. he's former president of the service employees international union. now a senior fellow at columbia university. before we get to that, there have been unconfirmed reports -- thanks for joining us, andy. >> good to be here. >> utility crews from out of state that are not unionized, they're getting a hard time, even turned away, by unionized local crews. have you heard this? what can you tell us? >> i haven't heard this. i would hope it's not true. this is a time -- i grew up in new jersey. i lived in new york. i saw a lot of devastatiodevast. we're all americans. we need to figure this out. >> and come together, sure.